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It is for fingerprinting purposes

Google refuses to patch this. I wonder what would happen if you submit it to the Android VDP as a permission bypass.

There’s also this SO question by the author about the bypass: https://stackoverflow.com/q/79527331

I found this article yesterday and posted it on reddit android, here : https://old.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1jmwg4w/everyone_k...

0 upvote, comment filled with what is either depressed sad people or just bots.

Here it's top 2... With mostly interesting comment.

Some subreddit are more dead than other but r/android got to be one of the worst.

The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need.

Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept introduced by Apple/Google so they could scrape a huge percentage in sales.

Web browsers have good (not perfect) sandboxing, costs no fees to "submit" and are accessible to everyone on every phone.

I have complained about this here before, but the end result was that I asked for a hardware security device and use the website instead.

If you root (I advice against doing that) and have LSPosed installed you can hide apps to be seen by every other app with Hide My Applist (HMA) [1] or HMAL (which I like more because it is more minimalistic) [2]

[1] https://github.com/Dr-TSNG/Hide-My-Applist

[2] https://github.com/pumPCin/HMAL

Big companies like Swiggy and Zepto will mine the F out of your data. Some of it is for their benefit but some of it they could sell in the future. These so called founders are really just another wolf of app street looking to pump and dump. So when they do dump, or when some VC comes with money, they don’t just sell their app they sell it as a whole package of data and analytics that some company can use to sell their product or something VC can leverage to sell their stock to someone else. It’s not that difficult.

As far as smaller apps go these apps outsource their development to people who come with ‘packages’ to develop and maintain their app. These packages are the same logic as above but it’s just that they come from some template so you might be asked for location permission or camera or microphone by some really random app that has nothing to do with it.

While the quality of iOS is degrading, some of these things are really important and simply work better on iOS.

This loan app is profiling people on the basis of race (Tamil, Odia) and religion (Qibla Direction Finder is used by Muslims, mandir apps by Hindus).

Why would browser need to enumerate the installed apps?

Why?!

Legit question. ChatGPT isn't super helpful here since it agrees with everything when I'm really looking for someone to say why this isn't really feasible in the real world.

On Android phones. iPhone doesn’t have this privacy deficiency.

[1]: https://lsposed.org [2]: https://github.com/M66B/XPrivacyLua / https://github.com/0bbedCode/XPL-EX [3]: https://appops.rikka.app

'Extreme' my a*. My bank app has this permission, as well as my camera app, contacts app, clock app, Google Home, and on and on. My bank app was moved to an old iPad because of this.

To someone embarrassingly unfamiliar with Indian culture, what does it mean?

Swiggy is actually a small player in terms of permissions requested, with 'only' 47 Compare it to Weibo with 104, Wechat with 93, Facebook with 85, Snapchat with 71 (granted those apps may offer additional services that require some additional permissions, but they are definitely not worth giving them all your data...)

Probably has to do with feeding adtech's hunger for personal information, or fingerprinting maybe (not sure if that's a thing in the context of phone apps).

I've also never heard of the majority of the apps being analyzed or tracked. Must be such a different world out there.

edit: Oops, I left out texting. Which phone for that?

Apple has a much more robust solution privacy wise with their ScreenTime API but it makes an app like Limit Buddy much harder to build.

Who are those data brokers? Are they publicly known? Do they have an API where a business sends customer ID, mail or something and get an spending profile that helps adjusting price for a particular customer?

I know this sounds evil. But didn't banks and insurance companies collaborate to profile their customers since tens of years ago? That is not similarly evil?

Nope! Nope, nope, nope. If you're wondering how we got into this situation.. well, it's exactly stuff like this. Weird to see someone who's digging into it at all also making excuses for it.

No one ever said "I want to avoid a single extra click once every other month, so I guess I better irrevocably open my data/phone/life up completely to megacorp forever". And they certainly did not say this about tinycorp. People just absolutely suck at adversarial thinking, and good guys need to do it for them before bad guys can. Do you want organized crime blackmailing your politicians about dating apps and infidelity? Do you want to make it easy to do large scale targeting of ${vulnerable_people} the next time the cultural or political climate shifts?

Come on. Anyway shouldn't the phone OS itself handle this rather than apps launching apps?? If not.. just let people pick a payment option, and then throw an error if the option is not available.

Alternatively, you can continue with the standard setup, accepting that you’re willingly providing companies with an unprecedented level of access to your personal data. It’s puzzling that many seem more concerned about breaking a familiar routine than about the risks associated with sharing every detail of their lives with companies that, in turn, share that data with one (or more) hostile government(s).

There is certainly a lot of justified concern about government overreach and abuse of power on HN. It remains difficult to understand why many with these warranted concerns do nothing to adopt a more coherent and rational approach — such as merely attempting to protect their personal data by not deliberately and voluntarily feeding it entirely to companies that are secretly coordinating with the very same hostile governments these people claim to seriously fear and detest.

    So I downloaded a few dozen Indian apps
    I could think of on top of my head and
    started reading their manifest files

Does this mean one could make a website that lists all those manifest file, so the users could decide against using apps that use this loophole?

At best, it's a designer's hubris (mixed with contempt) like, "You want to select some text out of your SMS message? I've decided. NOPE."

But mostly we're treated with contempt simply because we're an annoyance that is obstructing the goal of serving the actual customer (advertiser) who is paying for the work.

App Stores are no mystery. They are a funnel for rent-seekers and adtech info brokers.

If you think they are intended to benefit you in any way at all, you are badly mistaken.