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I predict they'll argue that because he lived in Mexico from ages 1 to 16 that he effectively relinquished citizenship. Which is BS, of course, but I'm reminded of the Sartre quote "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."

I implore everyone to listen to Obama's 2004 DNC speech [1], endorsing John Kerry. Specifically, for 12:00 and beyond:

"For alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American Saga: A belief that we're all connected as one people [...] If there's an Arab-American family being rounded up, without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens MY civil liberties [too]. It is that fundamental belief. I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper, that makes this country work."

1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWynt87PaJ0

I Wouldnt be surprise if this story ends up getting flagged for being "too political."

as a minority who was born in this country, I've had plenty of people tell me not to worry because I'm a citizen. These kinds of things are going to happen more and more because there is a bureaucracy being created to enable this. I've had way too many conversations when he first started talking about this stuff. He was

1. "only going after violent criminals"

2. "only going after criminals"

3. "anyone here 'illegally' is. criminal"

Now we have a hot mic about where he talks about sending out "home growns" to Auschwitz 2.0 down in el salvador.

I'll say it bluntly... I'm scared.

I'm personally waiting to get my passport renewed and then I'm bouncing out of here. The writing is on the wall. Its not safe here in America.

Normally I try to not comment on the status of stories being flagged, but this feels particularly egregious. We have a US citizen being detained and held by ICE despite giving evidence of their citizenship. This is fully unacceptable.

Increasingly this seems purely a racist action. I'm just not seeing Canadians or Norweigans getting thrown in foreign gulags.

> Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen

Never thought I'd see the ugly third world side of America where authorities abuse their power with complete immunity. What happened to the checks and balances?

If the government can disappear people without cause all other rights you believe you have are moot.

> The law makes it a misdemeanor for undocumented immigrants over age 18 to “knowingly” enter Florida “after entering the United States by eluding or avoiding examination or inspection by immigration officers.”

A good reminder that over 60% of "undocumented immigrants" in the US are here because they overstayed Visas (more likely their Visa extensions were denied). NOT because they entered the country illegally.

However, the enforcement of these laws is following the "guilty until proven innocent" logic. Arrest people who look hispanic and deny them basic legal rights until they prove their citizenship. The fact that citizens are caught up in this should not be a surprise since we are witnessing the fall of due process.

Why is this flagged

> the court lacked jurisdiction over Lopez-Gomez’s release because U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement had formally asked the jail to hold him

If ICE trumps state courts on matters where it clearly lacks jurisdiction, ICE needs to be shut down entirely.

I wonder why ICE asked to hold him. The article does not mention.