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Buy rural land and live on investments while you start a small business. That's what I'm doing.

I think we need a monthly "who wants to be fired" thread where we share our progress on this.

First thing to do is get used to a much lower salary. Mostly kidding but channeling how often I see sentiments online of people saying they want to leave tech and then balk at the salaries normal people have.

This article is not a "I want to leave tech" article. It is an "I want to have more ownership of the nature of my work" article.

Practically every recommendation is also a tech job, its just not "big tech" where you have very little real decision making power.

Tech itself is not the issue here - tech being filled with high paying jobs where you effectively work on issues that directly damage humanity is the issue. And after you have a high paying job its hard to justify leaving it, and every other similarly paying job is basically the same thing in a different package.

One of the happiest periods of my life was when I was working for a non-profit tech company building software for humanitarian work (human rights documentation, labour law compliance, election monitoring etc), after working a full decade in capital markets trading systems. Half the salary for 2 years, did a number on my savings, but it recharged me enough to return to the industry, with expertise in a new tech stack. It was in fact during this period I became a regular reader/contributor to HN.

I understand that this option may not be available to all. I suppose my point is that you may not actually need to leave the industry permanently. Just long enough for you to recharge and find a way to repel the BS without psychological trauma (and without causing psychological trauma to others).

If you want to leave tech you should save up for 4-5 years of expenses to accomodate for under-employment, downsize your lifestyle to fit a household income under 80k, and then reskill in another field.

I have tried to move away incrementally from the tech industry by working less and consulting, and it is not effective. There's simply nothing else you can do that pays as well for so little effort. It draws you back in like a tarpit because there's always more work to do. Committing to a clean break and immersing yourself in a new field seems like the better approach.

Some related recent Asks: (related to the concept of the title anyways, not so much the body)

Ask HN: Is anyone else just done with the industry?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44393304

Ask HN: I don't want to work in software anymore. Where do I go?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43836353

Ask HN: Facing unemployment – what now?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44008554

Ask HN: Decided I no longer want to be a SWE – what next?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44110944

Uncle J. here, sitting in my rocking chair...

There are so many problems to solve. I always like to post these lists when an article like this is posted on HN and the discussion ensues about what feels good to work on. There are so many problems that need your help to solve.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_global_issues

My father always told me: "you will have a vocation, and an avocation. They are separate activities." What he was telling me is that I should find a job, and a hobby. And they should be separate.

I believe that there has been a severe injustice done to students over the past 30-40 years by instructing them to find a job that is their passion. That's putting too much pressure on a person; and it’s largely unachievable.

It's okay to make money doing one thing, and enjoy yourself by accomplishing something great doing another.

The meme with all of the buzzwords around Shinji suggests that the author doesn't really understand that that stifing environment is due to bureaucracy rather than working in tech.

You can be in a large non-tech company (or government agency, technical or not - source: I survived one) and have the same miserable experience. You can work in a small tech company and get very little of it.

The idea that you'll escape by "Working for a public institution" is goofy.

It feels like this is missing the mid sized company that isn't looking to grow and IPO. There are plenty of companies that just have a product and sell it to make payroll. They're just overlooked in the hustle.

This is "grass is greener" type article:

> Working for a public institution

This may vary from country to country, but in my part of the world, public institutions are mostly dysfunctional, political, nepotistic, filled with cronies and people with negative productivity. And then there's one bright eyed idealist who actually does most of the work until they realize they're being taken advantage of, learn their lesson and starts behaving the same (or leave for private sector).

> Joining a tech co-operative

ie. become a freelancer or start/join a consultancy; sure, but after a couple dozen projects, it starts feeling the same as a corpo job.

> Joining a tech NGO

Again, may vary from country to country. Here NGOs are incredibly political things and desperately dependent on continous outside funding (the two are interconnected). You'll switch office politics for NGO politics.

> Working for a union or a party

Politicians and union representatives are some of the last people I'd ever want to socialize with.

> Becoming a mentor or a teacher

That's nice, but can you live on that salary?

> Becoming a techno-political hustler

For an article that starts with one's quest to find a more meaningful job, this is about as far removed from it as "used car salesman that exclusively uses bitcoin payday loans financing".

At the same time, some of the more promising alternatives that crop up at local IT watering holes are floor tiling, plumbing, roofing, ... All honest work, good pay, visible results, and zero bullshit.

The article is about staying in tech.

Might I suggest working on chronic pain?

The title is a bit clickbait because it's not really about leaving tech, it's about leaving the bullshit behind. If you don't want to work for FAANG actively ruining the world then you have options. In addition to what is posted here, the best advice I can give is to work at a company that isn't a tech company. More regular companies than you think employ software engineers.

Seems like the majority of arguments against the articles premise are the inability to sacrifice exorbitant living standards. I left big tech in 2022 and much happier living on a tiny fraction. It's called sacrifice. I personally don't understand why people need so much money. A family of 3 can easily live on $150k even in a HCOL area.

Considering the scale and frequency of layoffs across the board and the difficulty of finding a new job for many, you could just...run out the clock and wait for the inevitable?

To summarize the article,

Problem: How to leave tech. Solution: Enter tech!

Almost every complaint I see about working in tech is 90% applicable to any industry. The problem in every company is other people. Some are greedy, selfish, dishonest. Some mean well but market forces demand unsavory practices. You won't escape it by trading a keyboard for a hammer or a pastry bag or whatever.

You have to either have a specific target in mind. Like you actually love doing some other thing and want it to be your career. Or, as the article lays out, just keep doing tech someplace more fulfilling.

Having spent time in tech in both government and nonprofit space, I can tell you the organizations are not very different from corporate ones. Day-to-day frustrations are very similar. You have to just take heart in doing something constructive for the public good.

I’m thinking what I could offer for the world if there was no computers or even electricity. I don’t have too many ideas and this article didn’t help.

To continue working without coding, while still making use of coding skills and experience, I suppose roles like CTO or technical project lead might be suitable?

I want to leave tech as well. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to replace my income (yet). I'm working on a VERY niche SaaS offering, that has some novel growth areas. But getting time to work on it is slow going. Maybe it will some day be enough to replace my income, and I can bail on the FTE thing.

Starting a security focused Co-op was the path that made me happy. I can make a living open sourcing everything I do and working on what I want. YMMV.

Interesting. I had just mentioned reading this article (2015): https://eev.ee/blog/2015/06/09/i-quit-the-tech-industry/

Kinda related.

Techno-political hustler sounds fun tbh. Sounds like you need to have a fundraising network though, which often means coming from a well-off background. A shame.

Moving to a much cheaper country is probably the way if you have money saved up or can sell a house.

Consider public service software/IT engineering.

Contrary to popular belief, in the US there are state/federal government software jobs.

They don’t pay as well as the private sector, but it’s only a few steps down, not “get used to earning 20% as much”.

Is the bullshit rate in many of those jobs incredibly high? Absolutely. But can a talented generalist from the private sector make huge improvements for real people? You bet. So much of government IT is crippled by dated approaches and over-reliance on contractors (and the lack of knowledge of best practices that comes from very few folks transitioning from the private sector—those few steps down in salary are not a road often travelled).

As a result, someone with talent and familiarity with how much better things can be (and a willingness to push on broken rules/processes) can have a huge impact. You’ll have to do a lot of “here is a prototype nobody asked for built in a way nobody here is currently allowed to build it”-type performing in the first year or two, but at the right government agency folks who do that get to deliver massive benefits to real people every day.

There are enough sub components of government (agencies, sub-agencies, state, municipal) that you can easily find work you agree with. It’s frustrating to apply, but truly: once in the door, talented folks can achieve a huge amount.

Not sure how much I vibe with the conclusions but the intro captures my feelings perfectly

This article is a version of selling shovels I didn't consider. Nice one.

>> the public sector offers more relaxed environments and more meaningful problems to work on

The public sector may provide more relaxed environments but it isn't clear that you will work on more meaningful problems.

Written by a European.

Reality is - if you’re an American and got into tech and are working for well paying tech companies, you’re not leaving and there’s no escape unless you fatFIRE. This is why FIRE is so big among the Silicon Valley tech crowd. Everyone knows. What’s the alternative for an American tech worker (primarily the people who read HN) who wants to stay where they live, keep a similar quality of living, and not work in toxic faang-esque H1B factories? There ain’t one.

tech to med school pipeline, don't recommend it but I'm happy

go out and touch grass, feed the birbs