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The great thing about a product like this is that it's so easy to fake it in video.

I don't really buy that typing speed is a bottleneck for most people. We can't actually think all that fast. And I suspect AI is doing a lot of filling in the gaps here.

It might have some niche use cases, like being able to use your phone while cycling.

Spent all last year writing a techno-thriller about mind-reading, I'm sure this is about as factual, and, of course nothing nefarious could possibly happen if this ever became real.

The accuracy is going to be the real make or break for this. In a paper from 2018 they reported 92% word accuracy [1]. That's a lifetime ago for ML but they were also using five facial electrodes where now it looks confined to around the ears. If the accuracy was great today they would report it. In actual use I can see even 99% being pretty annoying and 95% being almost unusable (for people who can speak normally).

[1] https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/alterego-IUI/

Integrating AlterEgo with the next generation of AR glasses could be the next generation of technology after these electronic bricks we carry in our pockets. My biggest frustration with wake-word assistants is that voice is inherently a broadcast channel.

There’s endless comedy about the confusion on a bus when someone's talking into Bluetooth and their neighbor thinks they’re being addressed. Silent Sense + AR gets your eyes up and around you, fixes posture, frees your hands and keeps the guy next to you out of the conversation.

I'm a huge smart speaker user. I have one in every room. But as soon as guests come over I stop using them. I would never use Siri etc in public.

Going from voice input to silent voice input is a huge step forward for UX.

Makes sense there is so much ego on that page.

The presentation of this product reminds me of peak crypto when a 'white paper' and a two-page website was all anyone needed to get bamboozled into handing their money over.

They don’t have something that anyone can try out and it also seems no public demonstrations of early prototypes.

Seems like vaporware.

What I picked up from this vision of the future... we will have mind reading devices to capture out thoughts, but we will still be on a train and commuting to work... dang...

So they came up with this groundbreaking idea but couldn't come up with better use case then typing on a train.

Look, I can't but not appreciate that at least they are doing something interesting as opposed to vibe one shot fork of vs code things that we see.

I found it interesting that in the segment where two people were communicating "telepathically", they seem to be producing text, which is then put through text-to-speech (using what appeared to be a voice trained on their own -- nice touch).

I have to wonder, if they have enough signal to produce what essentially looks like speech-to-text (without the speech), wouldn't it be possible to use the exact same signal to directly produce the synthesized speech? It could also lower latency further by not needing extra surrounding context for the text to be pronounced correctly.

I'd love to get a better understanding of the technology this is built with (without sitting through an exceedingly long video).

I suspect it's EMG though muscles in the ear and jaw bone, but that seems too rudimentary.

The TED talk describes a system which includes sensors on the chin across the jaw bone, but the demo obviously has removed that sensor.

I wonder if they've considered testing it with people who have locked-in syndrome or Motor-Neurone disease. It could be an amazing tool for them.

So this a bone conducting microphone? That operates at the speed of speech? While you sit around awkwardly, hoping no one talks to you? This isn't thought. This is you saying to yourself quite clearly what you would like it to hear.

This is literally only as fast as text to speech. the only difference is that you don't have to speak aloud. Which is cool. But for using a computer its still annoying and worse than a mouse because with a mouse you can click or drag and place in a second, in this format you have to think "move the box from point A to point B (with coordinates or a description) etc etc".

I think its cool, I've been brainstorming how a good MCI would work for a while and didn't think of this. I think its a great novel approach that will probably be expanded on soon.

I've seen tech like this on display at the IFA already 15 years ago. Forgot the name, but it was pretty hyped at that time. You could even demo it live. Sure, it was only to steer a sidescrolling video game character, but it worked great with as little training of half a minute or so.

Anyhow, Alterego just seems like another vaporware product, that will never enter or even begin to penetrate the overall market. But let's see!

I just imagine this going really wrong. My chain of thought would be something like: "Let's see, I need to rotate this image so I need to loop over rows then columns, .. gawd fuck this code base is shit designed, there are no units on these fields, this could be so much cleaner, ... for each row ... I wonder what's for lunch today? I hope it's good ... for each column ... Dang that response on HN really pissed me off, I'd better go check it ... read pixel from source ... tonight I meeting up with a friend, I'd better remember to confirm, ... write pixel to dest ...."

For those thinking about speed: an average human talks anywhere from 120-240 words per minute. An average human who touch types is probably 1/3 to 1/2 as fast as that, while an average human on a phone probably types 1/5 as fast as that.

But for me speed isn't even the issue. I can dictate to Siri at near-regular-speech speeds -- and then spend another 200% of the time that took to fix what it got wrong. I have reasonable diction and enunciation, and speech to text is just that bad while walking down the street. If this is as accurate as they're showing, it would be worth it just for the accuracy.

You can tell it’s fake, because it’s hard wired and super low profile, yet isn’t covered in LEDs.

I think the killer app is doing video calls in coffee shops without disturbing my neighbors.

Brilliant idea to capture the neuromuscular signals and translate it to text!

Why did the note sync about the hiking boots lost the "I have to"?

Very impressive but use case is narrow. You are on a train and don't have time to make a note, ok. But most of the time we are in places reasonably private where speech recognition is fine and would be convenient maybe more so learning to say without saying.

As a disability speech aid though maybe it would be amazing?

So if I unintentionally think of a thought crime, is it still illegal? I wonder how governments will use this to "nudge" their citizens. I guess if you have nothing to hide, then there are no issues at all.

As someone with ADD and a lot of crosstalk in my "inner voice", I can't imagine this could make any sense of what I intending, let alone one thing. Definitely a lot of use cases if it isn't vaporware.

Y’all are missing a few key points.

- There is a ML model which was trained on 31 hours of silently spoken text. That’s the training data. You still need to know the red fruit in front of you is called apple bc that’s what the model is trained on. So you must be literate to get this working.

- The accuracy in the paper is on a very small text type, numerals. As much as I could understand, they asked users to do mathematical operations and they checked the accuracy on that. Someone with a deeper understanding please correct me.

- Most of the video demo(honestly) is meh, once you have the text input for a LLM, you are limited to what the LLM can do. The real deal is the ml model that translates the neuromuscular signals to actual words. Those signals must be super noisy. So training a model with only 31 hours of data is a bit surprising and impressive. But the model would probably require calibration for each user’s silent voice, like say this sentence silently , “a quick brown fox jumped over the rope”. I think this will be cool.

- I really hope this tech works. I really really hope they don’t sell to big tech jerks like Meta. I really really really hope this tech removes screens from our lives(or at least a step in the right direction).

Nice, then I can finally vibe code in a crowded cafe or Coworking space

Is the video hosted anywhere else? It seems to be the only source of info, but it's being played at like 0.5X speed.

I am surprised no one here has noted that a device like this almost completely negates the need for literacy. That is huge. Right now people still need to interact with written words, both typing and reading. Realistically a quiet vocal based input device like this could have a UX built around it that does not require users to be literate at all.

From the article:

> Alterego only responds to intentional, silent speech.

What exactly do they mean by this? Some kind of equivalent to subvocalization [1]?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocalization

Are these are friends of Elizabeth Holmes? :-)

> We currently have a working prototype that, after training with user-specific example data, demonstrates over 90% accuracy on an application-specific vocabulary. The system is currently user-dependent and requires individual training. We are currently on working on iterations that would not require any personalization.

https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/alterego/frequently-asked...

Great. I can imagine fucked up charlatans putting stuff like this on brain dead patients and convincing their family the person is still able to communicate with the help of AI.

been waiting for something like this. Looking forward to adoption!

I’ve thought about a future where all audio is recorded (public, home, work, etc.). If this thing is real, it would allow comms in this dystopian vision. Boo

So... Sub-Etha?

learn more on:

https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/alterego/overview/

adding also their press release here:

https://docsend.com/view/dmda8mqzhcvqrkrk/d/fjr4nnmzf9jnjzgw

either this is the world's biggest grift OR the 2nd greatest product of the 21st century... so far.

How long until this technology can be paired with a VR simulation so that something like neuromancer or Johny mnemonic is possible?

Reading further I was disappointed to see that the company is based on muscle movements. What about reading the electronic signals emitted by the brain?

I want to believe so bad that I can finally get rid of my keyboard.

Reminds of the song Sound of Silence...

Big if real. This is the kind of "AI assisted coding tool" I could find myself using, one where I can think code and commands into the machine. Make it open source and local, and I'm sold!

This video weirds me out because the presenter never looks at the camera. Odd directing choice.

Great, now if I find myself in a weird dialogue and murmur under my breath this company can store exactly what I called those people. They can also sell that data to whoever pays highest. Tremendous job you guys, as if ad industry wasn't annoying and intrusive as they are currently!

You gotta use it to control your AR hud while out in public