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All, I recommend you familiarize yourself with relevant state laws regarding your protections when assisting folks that are in immediate danger, e.g.: https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.200

I'm not a lawyer. So, if you have counsel on retainer and can stomach the bill, get clarity there first. But know that many states have such protections on the books.

The veil of immunity for DHS agents may soon be pierced. Apathy and ignorance are no longer acceptable for this situation.

In half an hour, Gregory Bovino, who heads some ICE operation in Chicago, is supposed to appear before a Federal judge to be questioned on what ICE did to whom today. Let's see if he shows up.

Wow this is going downhill fast. I don't have access to the article but I'm assuming this is what Palantir is all about right? Or are we not quite there yet, is this the CBP face scanning they have at border crossings too?

The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter.

This is completely lawless.

From the article:

> He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and that an ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien.

If you haven’t seen it this video is a dystopian display of this tech in action: https://www.reddit.com/r/EyesOnIce/comments/1ogm1qk/ice_agen...

I am struggling a bit personally with how to grapple with the fact that the career I have chosen has ended up bolstering all the horrible inclinations of those in power. I think we need some kind of tech workers collective and some version of the hippocratic oath to start pushing back against this bullshit.

When I saw them do iris scanning during Iraq War I instantly knew that was coming to US police sooner or later, I guess this is the new easier method

The crazy thing is though these people don't even have an identifying badge number and their license plates are often fake, zero repercussions for anything and they know it

Imagine by 2028 what's going down if this is still the first year

Anti-surveillance makeup anyone?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle

Anyone who doesn't think this won't be used against regular citizens is living a very sheltered life. Vote out the clowns every time you get a chance.

Seems like this would be to collect faces of what they consider "dissedents" rather than verify citizenship which can be done much more accurately through a mobile fingerprint reader.

Then again, who needs accuracy when you dissapear people without a warrant.

Don't tread on me. ... Tread on them, just not me.

I wonder if this is a portend to an American social credit score, like where China uses facial recognition to identify criminals at concerts[1], and jaywalkers, etc. which severely impacts a person's ability to get a job, housing, etc.

I can't help but assume this is already being used at retail establishments, but now it could be tied into law enforcement databases, and .. communicate..

Asking a "kid" for his ID? Kids aren't supposed to have IDs, much less carry them around. I'm confused as to what the kid was supposed to provide.

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

lol - I made something to do the same to ICE. Stores each ICE agent as a visual embedding and creates a database of all sighted agents.

https://www.realtimefascism.com/ice-sight

Don’t fall for the lie that this is at all about illegal immigration- that is just an excuse for what has become state sponsored KKK style racial terrorism operating completely outside the law. Videos all over the Internet show them violently attacking and terrorizing hispanic looking people with no concern for if they are citizens or not. At the Wilder raid in Idaho they were shooting children with rubber bullets, and zip tying them to watch as they brutally beat their (mostly US citizen) parents in front of them. At the same time you have the administration actively encouraging white immigration from South Africa, while firing all federal immigration judges that were still willing to hear valid asylum claims from brown skinned people.

I want my country, freedom, and civil rights back.

I wonder who is storing this data, I would bet Palantir. Possibly Oracle too.

'Katz v. United States' was quite clear - you have no expectation of privacy in public. Anyone may photograph you and use said photos. Do I like it? No. But that is the current caselaw in USA.

"What a person knowingly exposes to the public [...] is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection." - Justice Potter in 'Katz v. United States'

I wonder how soon till the automated license plate reader cameras everywhere start doing this.

Someone masquerading as an ICE agent is actually going door to door in our neighborhood this morning, asking about a "pedophile". It is a pretty affluent neighborhood with average house prices over $1m.

So lets scan faces of agents and identify them. We can use those technologies in both ways.

"Pick up that can."

The funny thing is these heavy handed tactics don’t scale. ICE’s own statistics show that deportations are down from the Biden Administration’s numbers last year. So what’s the point? To scare people? To set a precedent? To normalize civil rights abuses? Any right-leaning people who support this should understand that it could easily be used against them.

the people who run YC and Hacker News have Peter Thiel's phone number.

that's all I'm saying

I presume this is powered by data collected by the face scanners at airports when you go thru security?

Regarding the specific issue of using facial recognition apps to identify criminals, and using those apps as justification for detention/arrest - has this ever been challenged in court? I know there's caselaw that supports using cameras in public, but I'm wondering about the apps that are used to "recognize", and then the decision to detain/arrest based on those apps. If I'm a lawyer challenging this, I wanna see the source code for the app; I want verification that the app is working as it's intended, the false positive/negative rate, and that there's no way for someone to "put their thumb on the scale" to get a desired outcome, etc. I'm also gonna want access to the phone that was used to take the picture(s).

Life in the US is turning like one of its sci-fi movies. Now it's playing the first half where the bad suppress the good, before the reverse will happen for a happy ending.

By saying such I might come up as part of The Resistance in the future, like German people that resisted the Nazis are considered heroes after the war.

Any shred of trust that was left in our federal agencies is going straight down the drain.

Do they just deport tourists? What is the plan here?

Nice to see the post 9/11 digital surveillance and beyond finally get its usage by a fascist takeover

Do people think they are clever and can have defacto open borders? Maybe stop the goon squads and enforce at the employer level though it would probably work too well…

the gestapo is in town

I think Family guy had a gag about this...

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart

They can be trivially defeated with a 6 dollar product[1].

1. https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Personalized-Print-Bandana-Reu...

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