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"The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver."

So, this is a trend.

I feel like posting this up top for context [1]. This is an example of someone actually getting hit by a car, from an ICE agent driving with clear intent to harm someone while laughing about it. I would assume that everyone who believes Renee was committing vehicular assault would agree that this is also a case of vehicular assault, and the agent in question should be charged with attempted murder.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Watch/comments/1pjye82/ice_agen...

Something that isn't being addressed is why/how the ICE agents prevented medical treatment for the victim which may or may not have been life-saving. That seems like a level beyond war-crimes (e.g. sides usually agree to allow medical personnel access to wounded soldiers).

What I find even more horrifying than the murder is the response from people in power. Lying. Calling the victim a terrorist. Claiming she deserved it. Expressing unequivocal support for the killer. Threatening more of the same for the opposition. Posting fucking memes! Not even a hint of sympathy anywhere to be seen.

These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country. And they dare call themselves Christians?

Does the administration's interpretation of this incident (i.e. self-defense) mean that it is now okay to fire at drivers that may (or may not) be about to drive too close to you?

It's almost like giving a nearly-completely-unregulated quasi-military force unlimited funding, more weapons than God, and no clear goals other than "deport more people" is actually a really bad idea.

People voted for this.

Oh but hey, we at least made sure to pretend to save money by firing and then rapidly rehiring a lot of the workforce.

Good post by Gruber on this, and kudos to him for emphasising the bravery of the citizens involved, I only hope that justice can be seen to be done, but I'm not holding my breath with Noem neck-deep in the lies already.

And it's flagged, of course.

Will somebody vouch for this? I know what you're thinking. This doesn't encourage curiosity! This is politics! Same old, same old.

HN! Come on, how myopic must you be to not see that a working democracy is a condition sine qua non of your dear curiosity. You see what's happening in Iran, right? Well, they don't!

Put your glasses on, HN, you're not seeing shit.

Why is this flagged??

I’ll just say that I fully expect American police to shoot people in that situation. Not because it’s justified but because their whole deal is:

“Sir, stop resisting. I gave you a lawful order”

“Sir, sir, BANG BANG”

“I feared for my life”

It’s like a pitbull, right? It’s right there most of the time. Then one day it eats a baby. But you kind of knew it had baby eating ready to go. It’s sitting there ready to eat babies. Just a question of when. Then the baby gets eaten and you’re upset. But most people just stay away from the baby eater.

One day you’re walking down the street and your baby gets eaten. Justifiable? No. Your fault? Also no. But there’s baby eaters out there. Such is life.

ICE are the modern day equivalent of Nazi Brownshirts/storm troopers, who went around rounding up and harassing minorities in the early days of Nazi Germany.

They're now able to kill at will and call it "self defence".

Inquiry, since I know anti immigrant sentiment is on the rise in other countries. How are other countries increasing their enforcement of their immigration laws? Are there also chaotic situations where their immigration enforcers are shooting people in cars? Are there better ways for rising anti-immigrant sentiment to result in stricter enforcement with less violence?

The women he is praising for filming is, according to the current government, committing illegal violence against the ICE agents.

https://reason.com/2026/01/08/you-have-the-right-to-record-i...

> The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal To Record Videos of ICE. Here's What the Law Says.

> Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

So he is right to think she might have been shot for doing this.

edit: note that's a libertarian source. They've always had a strain of civil libertarians on that publication but the comments on the site reveal a lot of libertarians now think it's a good thing that white liberal women are being shot.

They have released a version of the masked agent's bodycam. Seems to be another Rorschach test: they released it because they think it's exculpatory, but to my eyes it's even worse. He's engaged in a petty argument with the driver, tries to block her car with his body as she drives away, shoots her, then says "fuckin' bitch!" after he's killed her.

https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3mbz3v...

At one point Orange was talking about shithole countries.

this is so hard for me, I have been in several situations where guns have been drawn, including by police(for no reason), and others where guns have been fired as intimidation, and "accidental" discharges and have always reacted instinctivly and yelled at and stood up to idiots and there guns, watching this video and the one where a civilian disarms one of the attackers on bondi beach, vividly shows the monsters and people who will stand up and fight or are just caught up in something they dont understand, but that the person in Miniapolis who filmed this, stood there and bore witness while this unfolded is something I could never have imagined, the ones at the top, orchestrating these public executions, should fear the implacable bravery of those who will stand firm far more than a reactionary like me. Also, another person has documented ICE blocking an MD from assisting the murder victim, who is 20' away dieing.

The nature of our current political crisis is changing by the minute, and with every fascist act this administration emboldens the next wave of left wing opposition.

The moderate position for future liberal candidates is now the full dissolution of ICE.

The more radical position - which is rapidly gaining support - is the arrest and prosecution of everyone involved in this administration. Starting with the president but including his cabinet and the oligarchs who spent the last year fomenting corruption and enriching themselves.

I feel no shame in anything I felt about Charlie Kirk’s death after seeing their response to this, and that looks like it was a team kill from conservatives.

One side of the political aisle in this country is screaming about how violent the other side is, while they are committing murder and telling us that our eyes are lying to us.

Gonna be a fun decade ahead

Site full of cowards.

The stance this site has taken while things like this happen outside the very doors is shameful.

Let's call Google, Microsoft and Apple accessories to extrajudicial martial law. No? We still like those guys?

Gruber needs an identity that isn't conjoined at the hip with fascist enablers. His insecurity is palpable.

I don’t think this is as clear cut as anyone on either side is claiming.

Looking [1], it does appear that Renee attempted to run the car right into the ICE officer, the wheels were still pointing slightly left, and the officer was still in front of the car. Also in [2] you can see that she was looking directly at the officer during this initial acceleration attempt. The only thing that saved the officer in that initial attempt was the loss of traction due to the icy road.

After that, indeed the wheels were pointing away from the officer and arguably there was no more danger to him, but after the clear attempt to hit him, you cannot realistically expect the officer, in a split second, to re-evaluate if her intentions to hurt anybody changed or not. At this point his life was already threatened. He doesn’t know what she is doing and waiting to find out could mean that he is dead.

[1] https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/2008984798271094791

[2] https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2009683575298211979

The sharpest (and scariest) analysis I've encountered is this: the administration governs as though no government will ever follow. The blanket pardons for January 6th insurrectionists, the revocation of Secret Service protection for political enemies—these are not the actions of someone who expects to face accountability from a future administration. And that's precisely the point. Trump is not governing recklessly; he is governing with a specific end in mind: to be president for the rest of his life. That project requires dismantling the judiciary, hollowing out independent institutions, muzzling the press, and having his own goon squad. By all appearances, he is on schedule.